Transformative Principal

jethro_2_04-23-2025_143737: Welcome to Transformative Principle, where I help you stop putting out fires and start leading.

I'm your host, Jethro Jones.

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jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Welcome to Transformative Principal.

I'm your host, Jethro Jones.

I'm on all the social networks at Jethro Jones and I'm so happy to be here today to be recording another episode of Transformative Principal.

I get such a kick out of doing this.

This is, I. 700 episodes almost into this podcast.

And I just love doing this every single time.

In fact, is my third interview today and I'm still fired up about it.

Uh, and it's the end of the day.

I should be tired, but I just get so energized talking to people and sharing these things with you that it's totally worth it.

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today I have Samantha Hamilton on the show.

She's an award-winning principal, a national education consultant, speaker, and author of nonfiction leadership books that incur inspire courage, connection, and culture change.

has over two decades of experience in early childhood education and K 12 school leadership, and she's known for transforming vision into action and heart into strategy.

debut book, brave On Purpose, how Courage, culture and Connection Create Lasting Impact is a love letter to educators and leaders navigating the reales of change and invites reader to lead with clarity, courage, heart, and a little sparkle.

Samantha, welcome to Transformative Principle.

It's so great to have you here.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh my gosh.

Thank you so much.

I'm also super excited and currently writing down the B podcast, making sure I have access to all of those.

I thought I did, but I wanna make sure.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: That's right.

Well, we have a lot of shows and they're all good in their own unique way,

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yes,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: what I love about

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: yes.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Um, so you've been in, uh, both public and uh, charter schools and you've taught.

Uh, different grade levels you've worked with N-A-E-S-P for, um, being a professional developer with

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Mm-hmm.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Um, so you've had a ton of experience.

What is this idea of brave on purpose actually mean?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Here's what I think brave on purpose means, choosing courage.

Even when it's easier to not, um, it's about being intentional leadership and not reactive leadership.

It's about recognizing who you are when no one's watching.

Um, just as much you as you do when everyone is watching and showing up for your team every day with honesty, hope, and some sparkle.

I always add some of that.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: So what does that mean?

Some sparkle.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Listen, I, I love Christmas, but I also just love fun.

Um, the shoes I'm wearing today are full glitter.

Um, I just like to add some, some sunshine and some fun to the day and sometimes literally glitter.

But, um, like to laugh and not take ourselves too seriously.

I really believe life's too short not to love what you do every day.

So if I need to bring that fun, I'm willing to do it.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

So how does this work in your school?

Uh, your school's called Lisa, is that right?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

Lisa Academy.

Yeah.

We're a, a charter school.

K seven.

Mm-hmm.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Mm-hmm.

So how does this apply to your day-to-day work There?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: So I, I mean, I think that people would say that, um, uh, I've just, you know, add some color, so we wanna make sure and that people see you smiling, people see you, happy people just see you in general.

Um, I think a lot of times as leaders, you can get bogged down in the office and away from all the things, but I.

People need to see and see things are okay and just, um, be there and get to know them as people.

So, how's your daughter doing?

How's your mom?

You know, what's happening?

How's the car wreck?

You know, making sure we connect with them as people, um, and just give them a little peace of mind that we're here to, um, as humans first, and then we can be great professionals.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah, for sure.

So you talked about choosing courage.

That's what brave on purpose means.

Uh, what does that mean in a day-to-day life of a principal?

Because to be honest, it seems like you really shouldn't need that much courage to be a principal.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Wow.

Um, yeah, and I think, um, if you go by, you know, your, your.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: I.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Schooling and all the academics and education you get in order to be a principal, um, on paper, it, they, it would agree in real life, that's not true.

Um, because I think you have to, leaders can't rely on titles to earn trust.

Um, it's all about relationships.

So, um, the courage means addressing those hard things, um, with honesty and addressing, um, things.

And it means creating spaces where, you know, people can feel.

Safe seen and valued, which is not the norm in the world of corporate, the corporate world, education world.

It really doesn't matter anymore.

It's really hard and, um, hard to find that.

Um, so I think courage.

Culture and connection go together.

Um, and connection is what sustains it all.

It's the invisible thread that holds us all together every season.

So once we trust each other, the kids feel that, the parents feel that, we feel that, and we continue to come back each day and do that.

So it, but it does take courage to lead that way, um, because it's not the norm.

It's not what you see, and it's not what's on paper, um, that you're supposed to do.

Having those hard conversations.

Or just the consistent conversations and pushing through and doing what's best for kids is is not easy.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

What, uh, I, can you give an example of, let me go, let me ask that

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Why doesn't our principal preparation program prepare us for having courage?

You would think that it would.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: but, but it really doesn't.

And so, so many people have said, boy, I had no idea that this was what it was like to be a principal.

My master's program did not prepare me for this.

In fact, that's why I started doing, uh, my Transformative Principal

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: with principals because I had people who would listen to the program and then they would say, Hey, I don't, I'm, I'm not getting this.

Like, I don't.

don't have anybody to talk to.

I don't have any support in dealing with these, these decisions that I have to

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Why don't our programs prepare us for it?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Why they don't, I can't figure that out.

Um, and maybe it's partly because of what you said, it's about the relationships and about the people.

Um, and so I think if you don't have access to them, it's, you know, it's kind of like you can be prepared to teach until you do student teaching, and then you realize what you're really getting into.

But if you don't have those opportunities, and I think a lot of your, your online only courses and you're on, you know, where it's not connection even with your.

Your professors and, and classmates, much less other people doing this job and have access to internships and access to, I just think we're setting people up to fail.

Um, because what's on paper, I cover that with law.

I'm thankful for the law because that's the same every time.

Otherwise, so much of what we covered, um, doesn't come into play most of the time, so it's.

I mean, I'm thankful to know it from time to time, but have I used it?

Not a lot.

Um, and maybe you have to have the background in order to build on it.

I'm not sure.

Um, but I do think, you know, great teachers don't necessarily make great leaders.

Um, and great leaders don't necessarily make great super, you know, principals will make great superintendents, but I do think if you have what's in it to do with people and it's natural for you to work with people, then the facts.

I can back that up, if that makes any sense at all.

Um, but why they don't, I don't know.

And I think, um, leadership on paper and leadership in real life are, and I, that's another thing.

What I, I think is important is that it's important to let people know that it's messy for everybody.

That it's not a day-to-day, here's my to-do list and check it off the list.

Because when you're dealing with humans, there's not gonna be, uh, you know, a token response or a consistent answer for any of the conversations.

You have millions of them throughout the day.

So I think just, it's just hard for people to prepare 'em for that maybe, I don't know.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Well, I, I think that's absolutely true.

And, um, the, I like that phrase of leadership on paper is d different than leadership in real life because it really

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: and it's easy to make a decision about something that you look at on paper.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: sure.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: when you think about the people that are involved, the, the experiences they're going through, the trust or lack thereof that exists and, and how people.

Can really, truly just lie about so many

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh man.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: are going on and not be upfront about it and have ulterior motives for why they're doing things.

Uh, it really takes a lot more than just looking at a situation and making a decision.

Like role plays and simulations are important,

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Sure,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: there's so much more to it every single time

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: sure.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: what.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Every time.

Every time.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Go ahead and talk about that a little bit.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Well, I think that's, it's one of the things I'm, I'm working with a, a assistant principal that we just hired for next year and I've talked with so much about that, of, you
know, we can't ever assume, um, that we know what happened right before the kid hit the kid, right before the teacher yelled at the kid right before, you know, that's the question I ask is Right what happened right before blank.

Um, and that's with any situation because I need to know.

You know, the, the whole thing.

And so much of it can be solved if we can really dig into the people and their reason for doing it.

Um, but you know, my philosophy is people first, paper second, which means I work, I do, I do one job from eight to three and another job from three to eight.

But that's because the people have to be first, whether they're big people or little people.

And I think the more they feel that the more you begin to move forward with, um, leadership and getting our things accomplished because.

Once you do the dirty work and the hard work, then the movements and the, um, mission and the vision and all those things can come to life once there's connection and, and, um, relationships.

But that's dirty.

That, that takes a while,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah, it, it does.

And that idea of, uh, um, people first, paperwork second.

Um, I, I get that I have a real hard line in the sand where I say.

Uh, you can't have a second job from three to eight

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: right?

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: do good at your job, eight to three.

So, um, so I push back on that a lot 'cause

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: you should be able to leave the school and, and go home and have another life

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: should,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: just another job.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: I should,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: what's preventing you from doing that?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: you know, I think, um.

What, where I'm working on that is that delegation piece of, okay, somebody else can take this over, somebody else can take this over.

Um, you know, I've learned a whole lot in my, um, leadership world about true definition of servant leadership.

It doesn't literally mean serving them on a platter, but initially that's kind of what has what drug me down.

Um, and so when I say I work three to eight now, a lot of times it's researching, preparing and because my work and my hobby and my job are all the same.

Um, and so I do a lot of that, but that is an area that I've gotten.

I'm really trying to work on that growth is, Hey, here's some paper that I can pass on to someone else.

A, it empowers them.

Um, and I think that's a big piece that I missed out on for the first few years of leadership is giving someone something that I value and trust them to do.

Bam, they roll.

And then you built another connection that you didn't know you were making.

So I am getting better at that.

Don't ask my husband, but I really think I'm getting better.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah, he might have a

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: He might.

Let's not talk about it.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

I get it.

Um, so, uh, for more on, on that topic, Erica Garcia, Niles, another Missouri, uh, principal, um, talked a lot about that when I interviewed her, uh, for this podcast when I was at in 2022,

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Okay.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: like an eternity

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Really it does.

Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: yeah.

Um,

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: olden days, as the kids would say, Uhhuh.

Uhhuh.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: So delegation definitely helps with that.

And um, and also just being okay with leaving things undone.

Uh, that is okay

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Mm-hmm.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: And that's a hard one because, uh, perfectionism is strong with us educators

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: pleasers, right?

We're pleasers and we're box checkers.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

Um, I got a good article about that that I'll send

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Okay.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: if you're not on my email list at

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: I am, I am.

I'm on that.

Yep.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: for, for other people listening, Transformative principle.org.

Down on the bottom, there's a little spot to put in your email.

Put that in there.

Perfectionism.

A trap is like the fourth email that you'll get, um, if you sign up for my email list because, um, it really is, and it doesn't have to be that way, but we all fall into that and we think, and here's the thing, it is so important what we do, the work with other human beings, especially kids, is so important.

And yet it's very easy to let that overshadow, uh, everything else and make that the priority.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: what would you add to that, Samantha?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: I think the thing that I have learned and Covid man, COVID taught us this and all the things I've dealt with in my leadership from, you know, tornado to all the things, but is controlling what we can control and, um, you know, so.

If we can put our biggest impact and our biggest amount of, of time into controlling our, our, um, time with kids and controlling, you know, making sure we're positive impact and making sure we're doing what we know is most important work first.

And then, um, yeah, you know, I have learned quickly that, um.

I don't have to answer every email right now.

And sometimes they've solved that problem without me.

And if that's great, I don't have to answer every message right now because the people I'm with need to know that they're most important and that's paid off in droves.

That's worth it.

So, um, the more, and then when they see how, um, how much, um, that means to them, then I think they have also stopped messaging me and emailing me and needing me because I've empowered them to do their job.

And I think that makes a difference.

So, um, yeah, that's, that's been a big step.

But controlling what we can control.

Is a big one.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah, for sure.

Um, so you, you've been able to weave faith into your leadership journey.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: about how faith has influenced your approach to leadership?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh man.

I mean, the thing with um.

With faith is ju I just, there's so many times that I know that I can't do this alone and, um, but it is a lonely profession by nature.

Um, oddly we're with people all day, but you can still feel very lonely.

And so, um, I'm so thankful to have.

That faith that grounds me.

Um, it's, you know, it reminds me that my identity isn't tied to Mrs.

Hamilton, principal.

It's not tied to, um, you know, teacher or boss or whatever.

It's rooted in something deeper.

And so, but it also helps me make decisions based on what's best for humans and what I want for my kids and my family.

And, um, it definitely just helps me with that humility, compassion, and resilience, because I'm not doing this alone.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's, that's very true.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Um, it's, it's interesting because, uh, my faith has also influenced my leadership greatly.

And a big part of that is like what you said, what I don't see the kids in front of me as, um, as little brats or.

who are struggling with something, I see them as their potential.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yes.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: that we are all children of God.

And so I see them as children of God, not as the, the punk kids that they're acting

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Right,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: because they're in my office 'cause they did something wrong.

And, and being able to see that and say, alright, what can I do to help mold this kid into the best version of themselves going forward?

That's, that's a really.

Heavy responsibility, but it's also one that like inspires me and calls me up to like get out of my petulant, whining, complaining personality and realize that it's my opportunity to really make a big impact on this kid.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: And then it's not about me, right?

I mean, it's, it's way bigger than me.

So that's what I try to remember too, is that, you know, it's my service, it's my mission, it's my passion in life.

And this is the gift that God gave me, thank goodness, is to work with kids and to work with humans.

And I'm thankful for that every day.

Um, or at least I make sure I remind myself that to be thankful for that every day.

But something that we've talked a lot about with my, you know, faith community is just making sure that we.

Model ourselves as the people that we're supposed to be.

And so people know that I am a woman of faith without me having to wear a shirt that says I'm a woman of faith and

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: I act that way and parents, and I, you know, just making sure that I, um, live my life in a way that shows that I'm grounded in faith.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah, for sure.

So, uh, what would be your advice right now to principals who are feeling burnt out or stuck or fed up?

Um, I'm hearing a lot of that right

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh man,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: you

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: it breaks my heart and it's, but it's true.

I mean, it's not like you can say, don't feel this way because you've gotta feel the way you feel.

I think the advice I give people, um, and, and I've talked with a lot of principals and fellow leaders and around here, is just give yourself that grace.

Give yourself that grace.

Let's define success today.

You know, let's figure out what today would make, would define success is finishing this report.

Success is making sure you impact this kid's success.

Define what success looks like at the end of today, and let's see if we've met it.

Um, and we don't have to fix everything right now.

We can't fix everything right now.

So go back to our why.

And I know that's something that's been used so much, but man, why are you here?

Why are you doing this job?

And did you do that today?

So many times when I get too far from kids is when I get bogged down and burn.

Um, you forget your why, and these people are my why.

So when I get out, get in the classrooms, get, I can't go to the lunchroom because that place is crazy, but I'll go to classrooms all day long.

Um, but burnout doesn't mean you're broken.

And I try to tell people that all the time.

That doesn't mean you're broken.

It's you've just been brave too long without rest.

And you might need to give yourself some grace.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

Hmm.

like that.

Um, one, what defines success today, and, and I, the way that I think about that, which is very similar is no matter what you're doing, you are doing your best.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yes.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: your best does not equal the best, but it, you know,

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: And what does,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Exactly.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: define that.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: matter, yeah.

No matter what you may have done today, it was the best you could possibly do because nobody is like, you know, I could do better, but I'm just gonna phone it in

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: I am gonna come to work today and really screw up.

That's my job.

I'm gonna really come today and mess everything up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nobody, and I tell, I talk to teachers about that too, with keeping that perspective with kids and parents.

No kid gets up and says, I'm gonna ruin my teacher's life today, no parent.

'cause I'm gonna send the worst thing I have to school today and let them destroy the place.

Everybody's doing the best they can and we've gotta keep that perspective, you know?

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

And, and even if somebody is being really rotten

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: and being really difficult, that is literally the best that they can do that day.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: And they're communicating.

Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: yeah, and, and giving them that grace to say, Hey.

understand that this is your best, even if it's not the best that you would want.

Right?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: yeah, yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: And, and having that balance of, of giving them grace, but also holding accountable and saying, Hey, I know you can be better.

Um, and you weren't today, but I know you can't be

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Right?

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: That, that positive, hopeful outlook really does wonders

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: where

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: the age, right?

Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Exactly.

You call out the bad behavior and express hope that tomorrow can be better.

And, and then you can move on.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: it doesn't have to be like you were mean to me.

And so therefore, I hate your guts and I never wanna talk to you

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Right.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Doesn't have to be

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: It's not about you.

Back to that, right?

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Yeah.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: sensing a theme

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: yeah.

Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: good.

So my last question is, what is one thing that a principal can do this week to be a Transformative Principal like you, Samantha?

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: You know, I think, um,

man, so I, I think that there is,

you've gotta give yourself a, a permission to be human.

You've gotta give yourself permission to.

Lean into what you've gotta work towards.

And you gotta pick one thing, pick something that you want to get better at tomorrow.

You cannot improve yourself on everything right now, and that's not expected.

So I think progress over perfection show up, stay the course.

So focus on progress.

Focus on showing up, focus on staying your course, whatever that may be, and then celebrate those small wins and celebrate the.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: I, I think that's fantastic.

I love that idea of progress over perfection.

Um, uh, if people wanna connect with

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah,

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: what's the best way?

For them to do that.

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: so I'm definitely on all the social media, um, you know, Samantha Hamilton on, um, you know, Facebook, Instagram, all those things.

Um, the, um, barefoot Principle is what I'm known for and that my website is being.

It should be live any minute now.

So barefoot principle.com.

I'm known for being barefoot most of the time 'cause I've gotta get dirty and get out, get after it.

So, um, I love shoes, but I don't always wear 'em.

So Barefoot principle, um, LinkedIn, Facebook, all those things.

Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Okay, very good.

Uh, once again, her book, brave On Purpose, how Courage, culture and Connection Create Lasting Impact is available.

Wherever you get

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Yeah.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: go buy it.

And here's the really important thing I. Go buy it and then make sure you leave a review because those reviews really mean a lot, especially for a first time author.

They need the five stars.

If you don't give it five stars, like don't even bother, but give it five stars.

Write a positive review.

Tell her that you appreciate it.

That means a lot to

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Oh yes.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: Samantha, thank you so much for being

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Thank you.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: part of the Transformative

samantha-hamilton--she-her-_1_04-30-2025_171732: Thanks for what you do.

I really appreciate it too.

I really appreciate you.

Thank you.

jethro_1_04-30-2025_151709: my pleasure.

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